I was asked this by a recruitment agent today as we talked about a search he is helping on. I found it slightly surprising that I do not recall being asked this before.
While my immediate answer may not be conventional the first question is, "Do I like the candidate?" This may sound superficial, but if I am to work with them and they work for me I want to be able to trust them and enjoy a positive experience (why wouldn't I?) and liking them is a key foundation for satisfying these points.
On reflection this supports the advice one receives about building rapport with the interviewer - it is more important than just being nice to have.
The second question I am looking to answer is, "Do I think they will enjoy the role/position I am recruiting them for?" the reason for this is that it will benefit neither of us if there is a misfit. Their performance will be lower if they do not enjoy and feel rewarded by performing the role. The additional risk is that they will not stick with the job and I will find myself re-recruiting again sooner than I would like to.
This again resonates with the trouble candidates can experience when they try and move into a new role. If the potential employer does not believe you fit, there is little you can do to change that perception, no matter how you protest.
Whether I think they CAN (or could) perform in the role is no higher than third on my list. Of course inspection of their CV before the interview will have already given some comfort about their skills and competencies, so further exploration can wait until second interview.
I wonder if this list resonates and indeed what you, the reader, look for when you interview.
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As an advocate of smarter change, a curious observer of life and its challenges and a generous sharer of interesting thoughts and ideas, this is an eclectic collection of posts that I hope will entertain, inform or simply stimulate your thinking. I am available as a change leader and catalyst, writer, mentor, coach, speaker ........... and sometime stand up comedian.
Wednesday, 13 July 2011
Thursday, 30 June 2011
What does it mean to be a project sponsor?
A little while back I blogged about where one leaves one's footprints. By that I mean what marks you leave on the world as you pass. Just the other day I was reminded of another trail I left.
This one relates to something I wrote a few years back to try and raise the level of sponsor engagement and performance - a topic that is frequently raised when looking at factors affecting project success. The incident was a change agent I respect telling me that he frequently pulled out a copy of this tri-fold pamphlet I had written.
The intention was to layout in a different way the relative roles of sponsor and project manager with the idea that it could be used to encourage discussion by those parties leading to better understanding and increase the chances of success. Of course the two parties to could decide to work differently, but the key is that they would have discussed and agreed this.
The alternative is that both parties make assumptions and leave gaps and confusion. Alternatively the sponsor operates on a "Fire and Forget" basis and expects the project manager to do everything.
Below I cover the five sections of the pamplet. I do have a PDF version that looks better and can be distributed if anyone wants one - just mail me at pamphlet@ianjsutherland.com and I will send one by return.
What does it mean to be a sponsor?
Project sponsorship is about leading the delivery of benefit to the organisation. Change alone is not enough!
The sponsor “owns” the business case and champions it amongst their peers, the business and the project team
To achieve this, a sponsor will:
- Set the high level objectives, scope, anticipated benefits, budget constraints, and timing; approving the project Terms of Reference
- Lead/Chair the Stakeholder group/Steering Group
- Ensure the necessary business resources are made available
- Monitor project progress, meeting regularly with the project manager
- Resolve escalated issues
- Make necessary decisions
- Report to the Executive when required
- Liaise with other key managers ensuring ongoing support from the business
- Formally close the project and ensure effective handover into Business As Usual (BAU)
- Lead the rightful celebrations!
What does it mean to be a project manager?
Project management is the application of a broad set of skills to properly initiate, plan, execute, control and close a project.
The primary skills are:
- scoping (i.e. describing and agreeing on project objectives and requirements),
- scheduling the work required to deliver the agreed change(s),
- estimating all the resources (time, materials and people) required by the project,
- managing risk and uncertainty to help the project deliver to stakeholder expectations
- managing quality to ensure that the deliverables are fit for purpose,
- communicating and collaborating with others, including suppliers of goods and services and everyone else who works on or is affected by the project.
Please note: this does not mention the “doing” of projects. Project management is not be confused with business analysis. In practice, for smaller projects, the same individual may provide both project services, but the sponsor must ensure that enough attention is given to project management.
What can a sponsor expect from a project manager?
A project manager should provide the sponsor with:
- Advice and guidance on the management of change in line with prevailing best practice
- High quality information and documentation to support the approval, planning and execution of the project
- Management of the project resources in executing the plan
- Honest and effective communication on progress and the risks and issues relating to the project
- Assurance that deliverables are of the appropriate quality
- Forecasting of future costs and dates, based on experience and evidence
- Escalation of issues/items outside the control of the project manager and recommendations on appropriate actions
- Support in communicating to stakeholders including the Steering Committee
What is expected from a sponsor?
The project manager expects the sponsor to:
- Give enough of your time - This means time to review documents, chair key meetings, consider and address escalated issues and to actively champion the project
- Be an effective champion - Believe in the project and inspire those whose commitment is required. It is likely to involve formal and informal communication and must work in concert with the project manager
- Make the necessary decisions - When issues are escalated it is for a reason, usually that the project manager cannot resolve them and needs help
- Delegate clear authority - The Project Manager needs to understand what s/he can do and what should be escalated
- Protect the project from politics - The team needs stability if they are to work well. This starts at the top.
- NOT micromanage - Let the project manager do their job.
- NOT undermine the Project Manager by word or deed
Some tips on being a good sponsor
Projects are by definition original activities and outcomes are never certain. Here are some tips that will make success more likely:
- Make sure you are engaged from start to finish
- Do not rely on untested assumptions
- Understand the sensitivities in the project; ie what presents the greatest risk to success
- Use your project manager and the best practices
- Don’t set unreasonable timetables
- Make any required decisions in a timely manner, undue delay usually adds to the project difficulty.
- Communicate, communicate, communicate and listen
- Believe and be seen to believe in the project and the solution; if you don’t why should anyone else?
- Support the project team
Please do let me know what you think?
Monday, 27 June 2011
Are Bold Curves and Demi Curves new mobile devices?
So today the buying started in earnest. That said there are some crazy silly prices. After applying something like the following, "50% off sale, add a further 60% discount, then lose the sales tax (around 6%) and apply a coupon discount of say 10% if you spend over $100" and they are virtually paying you to take away items. For example, a pair of chinos priced at $68 plus tax, sold for an all-in price of just $11!
The bit that amused me was in Levis where they were offering ladies a service to find their ideally shaped jeans. After asking what sort of leg they wanted, eg skinny or boot leg or straight, they then asked three banker questions.
#1 Does the waist of your jeans feel tight (with a picture of a muffin top)?
#2 Do your jeans fit, but you still feel they are unflattering?
#3 Is there slack at the back of your waist?
They then asked where you wanted the waist, suggesting that lower waists were for younger girls.
In the end ladies were given an assessment that included that they should have a slight curve, a Demi curve or a bold curve. I wonder if it makes any difference or is just a clever sales technique?
Either way I wonder what Blackberry make of the names?
The bit that amused me was in Levis where they were offering ladies a service to find their ideally shaped jeans. After asking what sort of leg they wanted, eg skinny or boot leg or straight, they then asked three banker questions.
#1 Does the waist of your jeans feel tight (with a picture of a muffin top)?
#2 Do your jeans fit, but you still feel they are unflattering?
#3 Is there slack at the back of your waist?
They then asked where you wanted the waist, suggesting that lower waists were for younger girls.
In the end ladies were given an assessment that included that they should have a slight curve, a Demi curve or a bold curve. I wonder if it makes any difference or is just a clever sales technique?
Either way I wonder what Blackberry make of the names?
Location:Orlando, Florida
Sunday, 26 June 2011
"In change we thrive"
I have had an interesting journey recently. In looking at personal branding and trying to position myself (and my company) in the change space I had the idea of creating coat of arms or similar motif. The idea being to create something distinctive, that conveyed an impression of quality and substance.
I looked at similar companies and many have taken their names from recognisable City locations or have linked themselve by association with academic centres or the like. I had the idea of Turl Street Associates, as this was the road in Oxford containing mine and two other colleges. There were just two problems, they were that a) this would probably only resonate with ex-Oxford people and b) I already had a name, Kellian, for the company.
Kellian was one I used before and is in fact a sythesis from K(im), ELL(en) and IAN, ie my family's names. It also has the advantage that there is no other venture using the name so no risk of association, good or bad. It also has, I think, a sllightly Scottish connotation and this seems to convey something good around the world.
Going back, the one thing I did take from my Oxford deliberations was to make use of the Oxford blue in my colour scheme hoping that that would resonate at least subliminally with people who saw it.
So with the motif I decided I need to have a purpose for it, ie a message I wanted to convey. The one I came up with was "in change we thrive". The idea being that I enjoy and make my best contribution when I am involved in change. It also had a more general message that we as a world need to to change if we are to improve.
With this I set out on two paths. The first was to get that motto put into Latin and the second was to design a heraldic-type design. For the first I recognised my limitations. I did not study Latin at school, having been judged not to have the language acuen to do more than English and French so I appealed through the Oxford Alumni group on Linkedin for help/suggestions.
Naively I thought this would be easy, but in fact it generated considerable debate about both the latin and indeed why I would want a motto in a language I did not understand. One issue is that it appears latin does not have a word for change and indeed in anglicising latin some words have taken on different connotations.
The favourite and the one I currently am using comes from a scholar and is "Mutatione Vigemus" ie we, by changing, thrive. Of course the English word mutation does not always have poistive connotations
Interestingly a later suggestion is appealing to me more and it is "Transitu floremus", which is something like fourishing through transition. I am liking this latter one more and more and may swap, but for now I have stuck with the scholar's (a professor) version.
In lookin into heraldic designs I decided to take elements of the traditional, but try and make it a little more modern. The shield above is the result where by I have just split the field and not bothered with detailed emblems or symbols. That said I hope the image conveys a road/path (grey) to the horizon/future; the horizon being between the land (green) and sky (blue) with the dawn sun (yellow) showing our target or vision.
I am sure it can be improved, but for now I like it and am using it at http://www.kellian.com/ as I develop other aspects.
I will be happy for suggestions, feedback, other ideas, even if you think I am barking!
I looked at similar companies and many have taken their names from recognisable City locations or have linked themselve by association with academic centres or the like. I had the idea of Turl Street Associates, as this was the road in Oxford containing mine and two other colleges. There were just two problems, they were that a) this would probably only resonate with ex-Oxford people and b) I already had a name, Kellian, for the company.
Kellian was one I used before and is in fact a sythesis from K(im), ELL(en) and IAN, ie my family's names. It also has the advantage that there is no other venture using the name so no risk of association, good or bad. It also has, I think, a sllightly Scottish connotation and this seems to convey something good around the world.
Going back, the one thing I did take from my Oxford deliberations was to make use of the Oxford blue in my colour scheme hoping that that would resonate at least subliminally with people who saw it.
So with the motif I decided I need to have a purpose for it, ie a message I wanted to convey. The one I came up with was "in change we thrive". The idea being that I enjoy and make my best contribution when I am involved in change. It also had a more general message that we as a world need to to change if we are to improve.
With this I set out on two paths. The first was to get that motto put into Latin and the second was to design a heraldic-type design. For the first I recognised my limitations. I did not study Latin at school, having been judged not to have the language acuen to do more than English and French so I appealed through the Oxford Alumni group on Linkedin for help/suggestions.
Naively I thought this would be easy, but in fact it generated considerable debate about both the latin and indeed why I would want a motto in a language I did not understand. One issue is that it appears latin does not have a word for change and indeed in anglicising latin some words have taken on different connotations.
The favourite and the one I currently am using comes from a scholar and is "Mutatione Vigemus" ie we, by changing, thrive. Of course the English word mutation does not always have poistive connotations
Interestingly a later suggestion is appealing to me more and it is "Transitu floremus", which is something like fourishing through transition. I am liking this latter one more and more and may swap, but for now I have stuck with the scholar's (a professor) version.
In lookin into heraldic designs I decided to take elements of the traditional, but try and make it a little more modern. The shield above is the result where by I have just split the field and not bothered with detailed emblems or symbols. That said I hope the image conveys a road/path (grey) to the horizon/future; the horizon being between the land (green) and sky (blue) with the dawn sun (yellow) showing our target or vision.
I am sure it can be improved, but for now I like it and am using it at http://www.kellian.com/ as I develop other aspects.
I will be happy for suggestions, feedback, other ideas, even if you think I am barking!
Friday, 24 June 2011
An interesting week
As I travel home this Friday evening I muse on an interesting week.
The first item that comes to mind is something I find beyond my understanding. I learnt at the start of the week that a man(?) I know - no names,no pack drill - who has been party to a painful divorce, yet claims he wants a relationship with his three daughters, chose the end of Father's Day lunch with them to announce he had got married abroad two weeks earlier and they had not been invited.
Now I have struggled to understand his behaviour during the drawn out divorce process, but this takes his behaviour and my incredulity to new depths. There is a risk in judging when you are not in the shoes, but as a father/parent there must be responsibilities and behaviours that are the minimum if one wants to be thought of as a (hu)man!
Enough of that and onto a more positive item. I have blogged a few times about the Judgement Index. I do so not because I have any beneficial connection, but rather that I believe it really has a successful future that has not been realised yet. As a result I and some very intelligent, experienced and successful people are acting as an advisory team to the UK business founder. We met this week and two things struck me.
The first was the goodwill and generosity in the room; generosity in time and advice. It is rewarding and energising to be part of that sort of group.
The second was that we identified what I think is an exciting opportunity. Until now the Judgement Index (JI) has felt a little like a solution looking for a problem. This has both diluted the message/proposition and led it into a crowded market place for recruitment and development tools.
Instead when we came back after a breakout session there was a clear identification that RISK and the management of risk offers a compelling target. What business does not want to manage its risks and if one offered a way to identify team members who handle risk less well, would not want to know? The JI can do so much, but it can identify a propensity to follow or not follow rules, how strong an individual's moral compass is, and how well they are aware of and consider peripheral events and information.
If we can help the JI navigate this route then I see an exciting future.
The last two items of my week's reflection were honest, heart on the sleeve blogs from two friends. The first was about how hard his first year building a new business was and how he made mistakes and almost gave up ( http://stopdoingdumbthingstocustomers.com/learning/hard_lessons/ ). For me the point was that I had no idea that he was finding it that hard - he hid it well! I truly hope and indeed think that I did nothing to make life more difficult for him and indeed did unlock a little business for him, but I do wish I had been more aware.
The second was a lady who has onviously struggled this last year and realised at last that one does not have to live at 110 miles an hour, that ones health is more important than almost anything else ( http://redspringsmedia.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/were-just-so-busy-except-for-me-thankfully/ ). It seems she almost drove herself into the ground with her whirlwind lifestyle. Fortunately she has realised and seems to have a great partner to help her find a better balance and pace of life. I wish her well.
Ah well onto another weekend and then a new week. I wonder what it will bring?
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The first item that comes to mind is something I find beyond my understanding. I learnt at the start of the week that a man(?) I know - no names,no pack drill - who has been party to a painful divorce, yet claims he wants a relationship with his three daughters, chose the end of Father's Day lunch with them to announce he had got married abroad two weeks earlier and they had not been invited.
Now I have struggled to understand his behaviour during the drawn out divorce process, but this takes his behaviour and my incredulity to new depths. There is a risk in judging when you are not in the shoes, but as a father/parent there must be responsibilities and behaviours that are the minimum if one wants to be thought of as a (hu)man!
Enough of that and onto a more positive item. I have blogged a few times about the Judgement Index. I do so not because I have any beneficial connection, but rather that I believe it really has a successful future that has not been realised yet. As a result I and some very intelligent, experienced and successful people are acting as an advisory team to the UK business founder. We met this week and two things struck me.
The first was the goodwill and generosity in the room; generosity in time and advice. It is rewarding and energising to be part of that sort of group.
The second was that we identified what I think is an exciting opportunity. Until now the Judgement Index (JI) has felt a little like a solution looking for a problem. This has both diluted the message/proposition and led it into a crowded market place for recruitment and development tools.
Instead when we came back after a breakout session there was a clear identification that RISK and the management of risk offers a compelling target. What business does not want to manage its risks and if one offered a way to identify team members who handle risk less well, would not want to know? The JI can do so much, but it can identify a propensity to follow or not follow rules, how strong an individual's moral compass is, and how well they are aware of and consider peripheral events and information.
If we can help the JI navigate this route then I see an exciting future.
The last two items of my week's reflection were honest, heart on the sleeve blogs from two friends. The first was about how hard his first year building a new business was and how he made mistakes and almost gave up ( http://stopdoingdumbthingstocustomers.com/learning/hard_lessons/ ). For me the point was that I had no idea that he was finding it that hard - he hid it well! I truly hope and indeed think that I did nothing to make life more difficult for him and indeed did unlock a little business for him, but I do wish I had been more aware.
The second was a lady who has onviously struggled this last year and realised at last that one does not have to live at 110 miles an hour, that ones health is more important than almost anything else ( http://redspringsmedia.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/were-just-so-busy-except-for-me-thankfully/ ). It seems she almost drove herself into the ground with her whirlwind lifestyle. Fortunately she has realised and seems to have a great partner to help her find a better balance and pace of life. I wish her well.
Ah well onto another weekend and then a new week. I wonder what it will bring?
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Monday, 20 June 2011
What can we learn from Rory McIlroy's US Open Victory?
Yesterday Rory McIroy completed an emphatic win at the US Open, having led from Day One and breaking records all over the place. All this at the grand old age of 22 and one month. Most remarkable to me was the difference a couple of months has made.
Not long ago at The Masters in Augusta, he led by 4 strokes going into the final day and he lost it - his game went to pieces. Hearing him talk he admits that he changed his game plan for that day. He played more defensively, he took longer to prepare his shots, and when it all started unravelling he did not know (or maybe recognise) how to change things.
Now undoubtedly he has had a lot of help in the interim, but in the end it was up to him to deliver and deliver he did. It wasn't perfection, but it almost was and possibly as close as many of us will witness. He undoubtedly has a huge future ahead of him and I wish him well.
Back to the question of change. The lessons I would take are that one can learn from failure and come back stronger. That knowing when to keep to a winning approach is as important as having the courage to change, albeit one needs the judgement to decide between the two. He also stuck with his caddy and friend, JP, and the two looked good yesterday, so maybe another lesson is not to throw away good people when the fault was within yourself?
I know that not everyone is a golf fan, but any more thoughts on what we can learn? Rory has grown up much more than the two months or so that has elapsed, why can't we do that along with our teams?
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Not long ago at The Masters in Augusta, he led by 4 strokes going into the final day and he lost it - his game went to pieces. Hearing him talk he admits that he changed his game plan for that day. He played more defensively, he took longer to prepare his shots, and when it all started unravelling he did not know (or maybe recognise) how to change things.
Now undoubtedly he has had a lot of help in the interim, but in the end it was up to him to deliver and deliver he did. It wasn't perfection, but it almost was and possibly as close as many of us will witness. He undoubtedly has a huge future ahead of him and I wish him well.
Back to the question of change. The lessons I would take are that one can learn from failure and come back stronger. That knowing when to keep to a winning approach is as important as having the courage to change, albeit one needs the judgement to decide between the two. He also stuck with his caddy and friend, JP, and the two looked good yesterday, so maybe another lesson is not to throw away good people when the fault was within yourself?
I know that not everyone is a golf fan, but any more thoughts on what we can learn? Rory has grown up much more than the two months or so that has elapsed, why can't we do that along with our teams?
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Friday, 17 June 2011
Letting the organisation run! More rowing analogies.
[This space was reserved for a picture of a surging bow. The one above is the best I can find]
More than once on team building / performance courses the facilitators have used the analogy of a rowing eight, making the point that the best performance is gained when all the members are "in time". In each case this is as far as the analogy has been taken. As a sometime oarsmen it strikes me that there is more to be made of the analogy and I want to cover three aspects here. aspects that I do believe are relevant but rarely mentioned.
They are:-
> Balance
> Letting the boat run
> The value of the cox
Dealing with balance first (and hoping that the reader has at sometime either rowed or seen it on the television) this is at least as crucial to attaining good performance as is timing. In a boat a lack of balance is blatant and evidenced by the juddering of blades across the water surface and the haphazard spray of water into the air and over team mates, wasting energy and damaging morale. This is a case where a poor oarsman can impact and impede the better oarsmen around him - it only takes one! In the worst case this can lead to the dreaded "catching a crab" or worse losing n oar as it is ripped from an oarsman's grip.
The analogy is even more apt in choppy waters when balance is even more important if one is to achieve best performance.
The relevance of this to teams is to build them with an understanding of balance and of the importance of everyone's contribution/behaviour. Once balanced any tinkering may have a detrimental effect.
The second point I best illustrated if you watch rowing on television where without doubt the camera will focus at some point on the bow (front) of the boat as it rhythmically rises from the water and surges forward before falling again. What is often lost is that this surge is when the boat is moving fastest and is also when the oars are no longer in the water, as the crew's seats slide back and they catch a breath before the next stroke of delivered exertion.
The physicist knows that this is due to the conservation of momentum as the crew move backwards relative to the boat, the boat moves forward to compensate. No matter it is an interesting point for teams and certainly gels with driving change.
The point is that there are times to let go, to catch one's breath and let the organisation "run". Surprisingly it may run faster at this time if you have done the right preparatory work and can let it run cleanly - with balance.
It is similar to not trying too hard, knowing when to push and when to let off, at least a little. This may seem counter intuitive, but is also seen in team sports like tug-of-war.
The last is the value of a cox. Now if you look at rowing crews can be coxed or uncoxed, but where a cox is present they play an important part. They may not be big or strong physically, indeed it suits that they re not, but the are the ones who face into the direction of progress, provide feedback and encouragement to the crew who can then focus on what they are there to do, and they decide how and more importantly when to steer. If the cox is out of tune with the crew and the crew's timing the contribution is limited and possibly destructive. For example if the cox steers when the blades are out of the water they can badly fact both the balance of the boat AND the run, by adding drag to one side.
The best coxes I have rowed with, trained just as hard and often as the oarsmen, gaining respect and earning their right to be in the boat and part of a winning crew.
The point here is that you don't have to have a cox for the team, but where you do they can add real value as long as they do what they need to do....well!
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More than once on team building / performance courses the facilitators have used the analogy of a rowing eight, making the point that the best performance is gained when all the members are "in time". In each case this is as far as the analogy has been taken. As a sometime oarsmen it strikes me that there is more to be made of the analogy and I want to cover three aspects here. aspects that I do believe are relevant but rarely mentioned.
They are:-
> Balance
> Letting the boat run
> The value of the cox
Dealing with balance first (and hoping that the reader has at sometime either rowed or seen it on the television) this is at least as crucial to attaining good performance as is timing. In a boat a lack of balance is blatant and evidenced by the juddering of blades across the water surface and the haphazard spray of water into the air and over team mates, wasting energy and damaging morale. This is a case where a poor oarsman can impact and impede the better oarsmen around him - it only takes one! In the worst case this can lead to the dreaded "catching a crab" or worse losing n oar as it is ripped from an oarsman's grip.
The analogy is even more apt in choppy waters when balance is even more important if one is to achieve best performance.
The relevance of this to teams is to build them with an understanding of balance and of the importance of everyone's contribution/behaviour. Once balanced any tinkering may have a detrimental effect.
The second point I best illustrated if you watch rowing on television where without doubt the camera will focus at some point on the bow (front) of the boat as it rhythmically rises from the water and surges forward before falling again. What is often lost is that this surge is when the boat is moving fastest and is also when the oars are no longer in the water, as the crew's seats slide back and they catch a breath before the next stroke of delivered exertion.
The physicist knows that this is due to the conservation of momentum as the crew move backwards relative to the boat, the boat moves forward to compensate. No matter it is an interesting point for teams and certainly gels with driving change.
The point is that there are times to let go, to catch one's breath and let the organisation "run". Surprisingly it may run faster at this time if you have done the right preparatory work and can let it run cleanly - with balance.
It is similar to not trying too hard, knowing when to push and when to let off, at least a little. This may seem counter intuitive, but is also seen in team sports like tug-of-war.
The last is the value of a cox. Now if you look at rowing crews can be coxed or uncoxed, but where a cox is present they play an important part. They may not be big or strong physically, indeed it suits that they re not, but the are the ones who face into the direction of progress, provide feedback and encouragement to the crew who can then focus on what they are there to do, and they decide how and more importantly when to steer. If the cox is out of tune with the crew and the crew's timing the contribution is limited and possibly destructive. For example if the cox steers when the blades are out of the water they can badly fact both the balance of the boat AND the run, by adding drag to one side.
The best coxes I have rowed with, trained just as hard and often as the oarsmen, gaining respect and earning their right to be in the boat and part of a winning crew.
The point here is that you don't have to have a cox for the team, but where you do they can add real value as long as they do what they need to do....well!
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